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Win-Digipet - english forums => Win-Digipet Forum English => Thema gestartet von: Per Olsen am 09. Februar 2019, 16:15:58
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Hi.
I have a small problem…:
Say I have 3 routes in a tour, named A, B and C. Train starts running in A. Before entering B there is a signal for B combined with a distant-signal for C. Activating B from within A is no problem, so the signal will correctly show red or green. But how can I also activate C from A, so that the distant signal will show correctly if C is available or not, when my train is still in A?
I have tried many things, but never found a solution that is good enough. Maybe I don't see the forest for all the trees…? Any help/ideas?
Regards,
Per.
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Per, try the dispatcher with conditions.
I don't know your signaling system, I suppose you use the Norwegian, but even though I have no idea about the rules of that system.
Anyway, I use the PKP signals. I divided the signal plate into two sections. The lower section shows the speed limit at current signal, and the upper at the next signal. The two sections under WDP are represented by two separate accessories. Activated route changes the lower section of the signal, the upper follows the dispatcher.
(http://aprs.pl/img/misc/s1.gif) (http://aprs.pl/img/misc/s7.gif)
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Hello Andrzej!
Thank you for your answer!
Well, the problem is not the signals (the electronics for them are home-made, and work perfectly). Yes, I use the Norwegian signalling system, and it works like in the real world :) The problem is how to actually activate route C when the train is still in route A. If the route is activated, the distant signal will show correctly.
I tried several things via the dispatcher, I can activate the distant signal, but not the route C. And when route C not is activated, there is a (big!) chance that another train also will enter that route (which is not good, hehe).
Any more ideas? Any help is greatly appreciated!
Best regards,
Per.
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Hello Per,
did I understand correctly that you have the routes A,B,C and that another train could ride D,C? You want to prevent that the other train will enter C when there's a train in A? In this case use a virtual solenoid that you set to red if there's a train in A. The train in D checks the solenoid and doesn't start on red.
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Hello Stefan!
It is correct that I do not want D to enter C while there is a train running from A via B to C. I can do it like you suggest (I did a setup like this before :) ) but it would be much easier if I could somehow activate the C (like I can with B) from A when the train is still in A. Can I do this?
Best regards,
Per.
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Hello Per,
I suggest you just wait for the free update 2018.1....
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Hello.
I sent you a PM.
Regards,
Per
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Hello Stefan.
I sent you a Message 5 days ago, but I may have sent it to a wrong adress… Anyway, do you mean that there is a change in 2018.1.... that will be helpful in my case? If so, when do you expect 2018.1 to be available?
I want to put this into my layout as soon as possible :)
Best regards,
Per.
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Hello Per,
sorry, I was very busy the last days. Please keep in mind that I'm doing this in my leisure time for free. Yes there is a new feature in the 2018.1 that will solve your problem. I don't know when the update will be available, it's not finished yet.
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Hello!
OK, fine! Then I will wait for that release. I tried many other solutions, but none were really good enough..
Thank you!
Regards,
Per.
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Hello Stefan.
In German forum, I found a Message about the New 2018.1 being available. I read the file With update-info. I think the function I wanted, is available, but my german is not good enough, I am sorry, so I did not understand how to activate the route C from within route A. Can you help me?
Best regards,
Per.
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Hello Per,
unfortunatelly this new feature - the priority control (German "Vorrangssteuerung"/ short VS) - is not available yet. Markus will fix that. Beginning tomorrow there is the biggest modelling fare worldwide in Dortmund. That means that you have to wait a bit because Markus hasn't got time right now to fix it.
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Hello Stefan.
OK, thank you for info.
I am looking forward to this :) Hope it will be fixed as soon as possible.
Hope all goes well in Dortmund, good luck to all of you!
Have a nice week-end.
Regards,
Per.
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Hi Per,
we are working around the clock ;)
Regards
Markus
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Hi Markus!
As much as I really DO want this function, I do not want to keep you away from your bed :) Make sure you have enough sleep, that is more important :) For sure, I am happy to wait :)
Have a nice sunday!
Best regards,
Per.
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Hello.
Found version 2018.1c today. Is this function active now? Did not find it in the doc…
Regards,
Per.
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Hello again.
I found "Vorrangssteuerung" in the doc for 1c now.
It is correct that I do not want D to enter C while there is a train running from A via B to C.
But also, the most important thing, is if I could somehow activate the C (like I can with B) from A when the train is still in A. Can I do this? In that case, the distant signal will also show correctly.
Best regards,
Per.
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Hello again.
I tried a lot of things, with no success.
When the train is running in route A, I have no problem to activate route B (if free).
In the same manner, when the train is running in route B, I have no problem to activate route C (if free).
But I also want to be able to activate route C, if both C and B are free, when the train is still running in route A.
If so, the signal in route A will say that route B is free, AND the distant signal will also tell if route C is free.
Best regards,
Per.
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Hi Per,
I think I misunderstood your problem. If I understand correctly you have the routes A then B then C. I understood that A and B are parallel and both ending in C. So the FDL won't help you.
But I still don't get the point where the problem is. Maybe you can show me a quick drawing. That will help to understand it.
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Hi!
No, the 3 routes are in sequence.
The train runs through route A first. Route B starts where A ends. Route C starts where B ends. So the train runs from A to B to C. When the train is travelling through route A, the signal by the end of A shows if B is free (and activated). If B is activated, the distant signal near the end of A will show if C free and activated.
Regards,
Per.
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Hi Per,
there's the same question in the French forum. So I will write a short description and translate it twice. That will take a while because I'm in holidays.
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Hi,
I think this problem is similar to the SBL signals used on PKP. Look on the simulation http://www.transportszynowy.pl/sygnalizacjasbl.php#4ust (http://www.transportszynowy.pl/sygnalizacjasbl.php#4ust) (lower picture).
So, the SBL signals depend on the occupancy of the tracks ahead. To replicate such signaling system in WDP I use some dummy symbols in a place of real semaphore (little green/red dot) to comply with requirements of WDP, and separate symbols for the signals controlled with the dispatcher according to the occupancy of the tracks.
Greetings,
Andrzej
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Hello Andrzej!
Thank you for your answer.
Yes, I know that I can work around the "problem" using dummy signals etc. I have done this before :) But it would be much easier (in my case) just to be able to make route C active (as I can with route B) when the train is still in route A.
For now, I await the description from Stefan. Thank you anyways!
Best regards,
Per.
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Hello Per,
you can't make C active when the train is in A. That's simply not possible. The description I wanted to write is how to set the far signal when the train is in A and B becomes activated.
If that is not what you want then make a long route from A to C with a partial route to B.
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Hello Stefan.
No, the long route is not the solution, as the distant signal always will be green, as the long route will not be activated unless the entire route is free.
But it really IS possible… I tried to put in route B the "Check next route within tour at contact" as an RMK from inside route A. It shows up with yellow background, to indicate that the RMK is outside the current route (B). It actually does work. But I do not like the yellow background…
Regards,
Per.
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Hello Per,
I never tried that before. As you already said yellow is just a warning. If that works leave it that way. Markus sure will not change the yellow background to white because as you already wrote the contact is not within the route. But very good - you found a solution!
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Hello Stefan.
I do not mind the yellow colour :) but the colour tells me I am doing something I should not do :) so if there is another solution, it might be more correct to use that one. Well, I will test this out for a while, see how it goes.
Best regards,
Per.
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Hello Per,
yellow is just a warning. If it's red you are doing something wrong. I also have some routes with contacts with yellow background. That's because I check if there's a train on the track next to it. So this is fine!
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Hello Stefan.
Yes, I do the same in some routes. Thank you! :)
Regards,
Per.