Hi.
The work with my new layout continues.. :D :D
I have a problem with route-creating. I have seen it before, and I am sure I am doing something wrong, but after having tried and tried for several days, I now try this forum for help. I have created thousands of routes before, with no problem, but that was without the use of the (very nice) assistent.
The problem is (simplified) this:
I use the Assistent to create a route from A to B. No problem.
I use the same to create a route from B to C. No problem.
But when I want (for special uses) to create a route directly fra A to C, I get "Keinen weg gefunden".
None of the routes (A to B and B to C) are specially long, have missing jump-marks etc.
What might be wrong??
Drives me crazy... I am sure there is a simple solution/explanation.
Best regards,
Per.
Hello Per,
when you are using the assistant at one time it asked you if it should use "optimierte Wegsuche" (optimized route search). Don't make a hook there and try again.
Hi again.
I made a short test, and that seems to solve it !!!
(That's how easy it was, took me days to not find.. :()
Thanks a lot !! :D
Best regards,
Per
Hello again.
A bit quick, last time, I guess...
I have quite a few routes that still will not create from A til C. A to B and B to C are OK. Any more tips??
Per.
Helle Per,
yes, first set all turnouts to the right direction. WDP searches always in the current direction of the turnouts first.
Hi again.
I still have the same problem, also when I set the turnouts first (I normally do not do this, wdp finds normally the correct way anyway). I will look more into it.
Regards,
Per.
Hi Per,
if you don't find a solution then attach your project here and I'll have a look.
Hello.
I have an example here now. How do I send you the project, and what do you need?
Per
Hello Per,
leave the main program and start the WDP Maintenance. Make a complete backup but without the loco pictures and without the symbols.
Then go to this forum, write an answer and click at the bottom at "erweiterte Optionen" (more options). Select your backup and make an upload.
Please tell me what you wanted to do but don't succeed.
Hello.
Thank you. File is attached. Please be warned, it is a very un-finished project, with many test-routes etc, for the learning :) :) :) Also many other mistakes that I do know about, and that will be corrected :D But they should not interfere with this problem.
This time I tried to use the Assistent to create short routes from SkEinV to the tracks SkD8c to -8k. They were created with no problem.
Next I tried the other way, to create the routes from the same SkEinV to the tracks SkE1c to -1k. This gives "Keinen Weg gefunden". No matter if i set the switches first, or whatever.
Can you solve this one? I am sure I have made something wrong here, but cannot see it...
Hello Per,
at 1k you have a Sprungmarke from the symbol befor the text "1k" to the symbol after the text. Unfortunatelly the symbol befor the text is a signal and not a track. That doesn't work. In this case I simply would write the text right to the tracks and edit a track symbol there instead. Then you don't need the Sprungmarken.
Hello again !
You say that "the symbol befor the text is a signal and not a track", no, its IS a track, with RMK 207, before the text. Both the symbol before and the symbol after the text, is a track-symbol.
Sprungmarke 241 bridges over the 1K-text, which is normal. But I also see a Sprungmark 119 which should not be there, which crosses only the signal. This is probably a left-over from an earlier stage of the layout...
But if you look at 8K, there is exactly the same, namely Sprungmark 240 correctly bridging the text, but also an "old" 118 which should not be there, same is with the 1K-track.
So, if this was the problem, why could I create routes to 8K but not 1K? Should be identical problem...
Anyways, I removed both the wrongly placed Sprungmarken, and tested.
No difference, I can still not create the route to 1K.
So I look for other wrongly placed Sprungmarken in that perticular route.... I find none.
So back to square 1?
By the way, I do have other Sprungmarke, like the one down after the text Esp3a , which is brigded by one Sprungmark, there is another Sprungmarke that starts at the signal (not a track) and ends at RMK 460. This one does for a fact actually work (I have made many routes there). If it does not work with signals, why does this one? The German manual says that Sprungmarke can only be used on track-maiking symbols.. Maybe the signal is one such? There IS a track in the signal-symbol.. :) :) :)
Best regards,
Per.
Hello Per,
I'll come back to this topic later, perhaps tomorrow. In the meantime I'll check if a signal is a valid field for a Sprungmarke.
Tried a bit today. Same. Created the route manually, works 100%. I still cannot see anything wrong, but can still not make the route using the Assistent.
Per.
Hello Per,
a signal is indeed a valid field for a Sprungmarke. Give me a little time and I will have a look again.
Hello.
OK. Tried more today: As we know, to create the routes from SkEinV to the tracks SkE1c to -1k. This gives "Keinen Weg gefunden". No matter if i set the switches first, or whatever.
Just now I tried the reverse way, from SkE1k to SkEinV. This works !!! Isn't that strange? Must be something I do not understand completely...? I have creates thousand of routes before, ut never had this problem before. What am I doing wrong now...? :D :D
Per.
Hello Per,
I don't have access to WDP right now but you could check the Sprungmarken in that route. Probably there is a mistake.
Hi.
The route is still the same as before..... I have now also removed the 2 Sprungmarke, replaced by standard track symbols. No change in the route-creating problem..
Per.
Hello Per,
can you provide me with a new backup?
Here it is, without any Sprungmarken in that actual route
Hello Per,
I found it. 1) You have to select first begin and end in the assistent and then click the switches to the right direction. The assistent finds the way immediately.
2) If you don't do this the assisten searches to the right at the first switch and enters the area SkG. There it searches in 1a and there the Sprungmarke is not correct. The assistant gets stuck there and therefore cannot find any way.
Hallo Stefan.
Sorry for the late answer, I have been sick in bed for some days.
I found the wrong Sprungmarke you mention. In fact, there were 2 at the same place, but one of them had the incorrect direction. So I deleted the one that was wrong.
So I tried again. And now it works! Without setting any switches or anything else. So I guess that a mistaken Sprungmarke (even if it is in a place that will not be included in the route I want, but in a place where the Assistent clearly searches anyway..) makes the Assistent get stuck, so it does not suggest the other valid ways either. Maybe it should be able to suggest the other valid routes anyway, and ignore the routes with problems..?
Thanks a lot for all your help, I really appreciate it ! Now I will continue to create new routes :D
Best regards,
Per.
Hello Per,
I'm glad it works now. And If've been sick, too. ;)